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swstos o KOTS, sas ta elega egw kai den me pistevate ..... eleos poia me tis foto pou trabaei o kathenas. an thelete na to paixete astronomoi to prwto pragma einai na mathete ti simainei semnotita. isws o kaliteros edw mesa pou mporei na sas mathei kati na einai o aristarchus. sinelthete giati xanomaste ..... dimitris

filarakia, 1-10 eimoun sto kryoneri gia paratiriseis tou ss433 (me to 1.2m). sas eipa, einai ufo..... dimitris kala na pernate ..... p.s. opaaaaa

egw mallon gia UFO to blepw dimitris

apla den tha mpeis ston kopo na metriseis tin irida .... d.

den pernete kamoia CCD kalitera ??? d.

egw apla lew oti enw sixna akouw apo erasitexnes na lene " ax, kai na eixa ena 10-metro, to vlt, to hubble ktl" kanenas den leei ti tha to kanei. stin sigekrimeni periptwsi o vegan to epiase. afou den mporeis na analiseis fasmata (fantazomai) kai otika den mporeis na breis kanenan exoiliako ena tetoio tileskopio sou einai AXRISTO dioti an sou dwsoun mia nixta ekei tha paei tsampa o xronos. afto einai to point filika d.

kati sigekrimeno SYLOOK. exeis kamia idea pws ?? ti pedio exei to tilesk. mporeis na breis exwiliakous planites ?? xereis ti analisei ginete ?? mporeis na dimiourgeiseis ta filtra pou xreiazontai ?? mporeis na analiseis fasmata ?? exeis kapoies idees gia to sistima ?? an nai, tote (opws eipa) milise mas gia afta kai mporei kati na ginei. isws mporoume na kanoume kati se kapoio allo tilesk. filika dimitris

Apla lew an exei kapoios mia toso kali idea pou tha tou xreisimeve ena tetoio tileskopio kai thelei na kanei kati sigekrimeno as to meirastei. den xereis pote.... kati mporei na ginei. d.

geia sou file SYLOOK, ante kai egw sou lew sto dinw. ti tha to kaneis ??? d.

file Vegan an dialega tin astronomia gia hobby mallon lathos tha dialega. alla poios sou eipe oti i astronomia einai kati tetoio ?? File stephane pio katallili stigmi den tha mporouses na dialexeis gi'aftin tin erwtisi. molis xthes eixame tin episimi parousiasi tou asteroskopiou thessalonikis se meli tou omilou filwn astronomias. apo deftera anebainei sto episimo site tou asteroskopiou gia leptomeries, aitiseis logismika ktl ... kathos kai to episimo kalesma tou asteroskopiou se olous tous omilous tis elladas, erasitexnes ktl. nomizw omws oti oi erasitexnes tis omadas greek supernova search team prolaban na baloun kati stin http://www.amateur-astronomy.gr kala na pernate dimitris

file mou adam, an niwtheis tixeros epeidi exeisz tin orasi sou kai mporeis exaitias autou na mporeis apla na paratireis ton ourano, signwmi alla mallon kaikes. diladi to simantikotero pragma pou mporeis na kaneis me ta matia sou einai na koitas ton ourano ??? xalarwse.... filika dimitris

afto kwsta einai para polli endiaferon. orio stin gnwsi ?? xm, polli polli endiaferon. na sou pw tin allitheia nai, pistevw pws iparxei orio stin gnwsi. i gnwsi den einai tipote parapanw apo tin apeikonisi tou simpantos kai twn nomwn pou to diepoun apo ton diko mas ekgefalo. afou loipon iparxoun periorismenes dinatotites tou egkefalou mou thewrw oti einai exairetika pithano na min mporoume na ftasoume sta oria tis gnwsis exaitias tis " adinamias " mas. filosofika (san ipostirixthis tis anthrwpikis arxis) nomizw oti palli einai adinato na mporesoume na "metafrasoume" kathe nomo sto mialo mas. simfwnw oti to thema einai toso megalo kai ta dedomena tosa liga pou kathe statistiki peftei polli makria apo tin pragmatikotita. endeiktika tha anaferw oti an paroume tin exiswsi Drake (tin opoia sas exomologoume oti den me exei peisei) kai baloume ta simerina dedomena, oi politismoi pou tha broume gia ton galaxia mas einai kapou 10 stin -16 politismoi. kalo mesimeri..... dimitris

kalispera file theodore, nai pragmati to exw akousei afto me to 1.000.000 politismous ston diko mas galaxia alla ta pragmata den einai akribws etsi. pistevw oti iparxoun safeis meletes pou xekatharizoun oti SIMERA (afto fisika mporei na allaxei fisika, alla tonizw SIMERA) me tin gnwsi pou exoume ta pragmata einai polli asxima gia tous filous ekei exw kathws oi statistikes lene oti iparxoun 0.6 (i' 0.8 den thimame kala) politismous sto galaxiako sminos tis parthenou !!!! dioti den mporoun na brethoun planites san tin gi (kai afto pou lew einai polli megali istoria. ti simainei san tin gi). telws pantwn eite iparxoun eite den iparxoun egw pistevw oti to anthrwpino genos den tha zeisei arketa gia na erthei se epafi. isws diapsefstw.... kala na pernate dimitris

nai simfwnw mazi sou. o anthrwpos einai melos tis fisis kai exei kapoia xaraktiristika. merika apo afta den prokeite na allaxoun polla. i aftokatastrofi einai ena allo xaraktiristiko tou idiou tou simpantos. gi'afto pistevw oti einai kai stoixeio twn melwn tou.... filika dimitris p.s. geia sou re kwsta. oxi akoma den girisa. ton oktobri tha girisw. otan girisw tha parw til.

giati kati mou leei oti o exwgiinos pou tha milouse mazi sou kwsta, den tha sta elege poli diaforetika ap'oso ta xereis esi ?? fisika afto den tha isxie gia pragmata pou den xereis. egw exw tin entipwsi pws i epistimi einai ena iposinolo tis filosofias (isws enas diaforetikos tropos na theseis filosofika erwtimata mi' kalitera mono na apantiseis erwtimata oxi na theseis. afto einai politelia.) ara pistevw oti apo moni tis pote den tha lisei ta erwtimata gia ta opoia milaei o k.giannis exaitias tis idias tis fisis tis. i texnologia den mporei na einai "monada metriseis" gia to poso noimwn einai enas politismos alla i xrisi tis texnologias aftis apo ton antistoixo politismo exei na pei polla. kai mexri stigmis den mporw na peisw ton eafto mou oti kerdisame to stoixima ... afta. kala na pernate dimitris

sebomai tin apopsi sou alla den simfwnw m'aftin. mporei na doulevei me sena alla den einai kanonas.den xreiazete na eisai astronomos gia na min pisteveis sta zwdia. apli logiki einai kai iparxoun xiliades anthrwpoi pou den pistevoun kai omws den exoun kamoia sxesi me tin astronomia. pantws afou doulevei sinexise to filika dimitris

diladi mou les pws pisteveis oti opoios asxolite me tin astronomia einai pio "anoixto" mialo apo tous ipoloipous ??? apla diafwnw. kala na pernas dimitris

file selas, na sou pw katarxin oti m'aresei para polli o enfousiasmos aftos pou exeis. mou thimizeis alles epoxes. omws distixos i' eftixos eimaiste akribws to idio pragma me tin giagia pou blepei menegaki. den eimaste oute kaliteroi oute xeiroteroi. den mporeis na sigkrineis anthrwpous apla o kathenas kanei oti ton kanei eftixismeno. an tis giagias tis aresei i menegaki tote to kalitero pou exei na kanei einai afto. prosexe s'afto to taxidi pou arxizeis. apla mia simbouli. PROSEXE. an pisteis oti eisai kati kalitero apo tous allous epidi asxolise me astronomia (opws isxuei kai gia olous mas min to pareis prosopika) to exases to paixnidi. filika dimitris

ti ennoeis epikindino ??? poio pragma na einai epikindino, gia poion kai pws ??/ dimitris

kalimera, ok, tote an einai na ginei kati tha einai sobaro kai tha ginei swsta. idi iparxei mia sizitisei me tous ipethinous kathigites tou DIMM (seeing) tou asteroskopeiou thessalonikis kai me tous erevnites apo to ethniko asteroskopio stin athina. an apofasisoume oloi apo koinou oti axizei kati tetoio, tha ginei mia poio katholiki anakoinwsi kai opoios endiaferete sinexizei... den fantazomai na argisei polli na parthei kapoia apofasi, ws tote kala na pernate .... dimitris

ti egine kanenas den ediaferete ??? anyway, nikfoe, ti na kanoume kapoia alli fora isws. kala na pernate dimitris

distixws den exw tin entipwsi oti sas episa akoma. i roi kai i entasi tou astera den einai ksexwrista metaxi tous. ara otan anaferomaste sto ena, anaferomaste kai sto allo me kapoion metasximatismo. me afto pou lete gia to seeing kai tin entasi einai san na min dexeste tin iparxi strwtis rois. episeis to pio aplo pou mporw na sas pw einai oti an elexete tis exiswseis pou dinoun to seeing tha deite oti den exoun kamoia sxesi me tin entasi tou astera. kai to telefteo mou paradeigma einai to exis: an isxeie afto pou lete to seeing pou tha metrousame stous planites (ston dia px) tin idia stigmi tha eprepe na einai polli mikrotero apo kathe astera, pou kai afto profanws einai lathos. to metopo pathenei tis idies alliwseis otan akolouthei ton idio optiko dromo kapoia sigkekrimeni stigmi. afto to apodeixa kai peiramatika. to seeing ston dia itan AKRIBWS idio me olous tous asteres pou metrisa ekeines tis 2 wres (meta arxise na allazei exaitias tis thermikis isoropias). xanalew ... min kanete to lathos na fantazeste to seeing monodiastata. iparxoun apeires gaousianes. kai to oliko seeing einai iperekthesi olwn afton. min skefteste ok, afxanei to FWHM ara elatonete i entasi. afto einai lathos. gioti tha prepei na deite ti ginete kai stis alles diastaseis. telos giati theorite oti den iparxoun mazes pou mporoun na aporofisoun aktinobolia xwris na allaxoun to seeing kai to antitheto ?? i ipothesi seeing einai kati polli simantiko kai kati arketa diskolo. opws eipai kai o petros xreiazontai polla dedomena gia na mporesei na bgalei simperasmata gia kapoion topo kai na dei an sindeontai kai pws megethei opws seeing-entasi, seeing ipethro-seeing tholos, seeing-aeria maza (an kai afti i exiswsi iparxei kai theoritika), seeing - ipsometro, seeing - wra paratiriseis ktl. xreiazontai para - para polla dedomena. mia polli kali idea einai na dimiourgeithoun tetoia project se oli tin xwra apo erasitexnes (bebaia opws sas eipa eina arketa diskolo alla oxi akatorthoto) kai na exoume mia oloklirwmeni eikona tis xwras. afto den exei ginei pouthena ston kosmo. mporoume na sinergastoume kai na boithisw opoion thelei kai skeftete tin dimiourgeia mias tetoias monadas. etsi oi ertasitexnes astronomoi mporoun na ginoun para polli xrisimoi. ektos apo kapoia olokliromeni eikona omos tha exoume brei kai tis pithanes kales theseis gia mellontika asteroskopia. fantazomai oti to asteroskopio thessalonikis tha einai anoixto. episeis kai merikoi erevnites apo to ethniko asteroskopio pistevw oti tha endiaferontai. kala na pernate perimenw ethelontes dimitris

kalispera k. gianni, afto pou thelw na pw einai to exis: prwton to na poume sto proigoumeno paradeigma oti to megisto seeing den mporei na einai panw apo 1" einai TRAGIKO lathos. den mporoume na bgaloume kanena simperasma apo tou diplous ektos kai an paratirisoume merikes dekades kathe stigmi. giati ??? giati to PSF tou astera den einai mias diastasis, alla apeirwnekei briskete kai i terastia epitixeia tou DIMM. dioti ipologisei seeing se dio diastaseis. afto simaiei oti an anaxei mono i katethinsi tou aera, xwris fisika na allaxei i entasi, allazei to seeing. episeis, an skeftoume ti einai to seeing ?? einai i katastrofi tou metopou kimatos apo tin TIRBODI roi. afto simenei oti an iparxei aeria masa pou i roi einai stroti tha exoume aporofisi tis entasis xwris na allaxei to seeing. ara exoume fainomena pou blepoume oti den mporoume na sisxetisoume entasi kai seeing. fisika ennoeite oti an allaxei to seeing apo 0.5" se 5" to metopw tha pathei tetoies alloiwseis opou tha meiwthei i entasi, apla lew oti den einai kanonas kai afou den einai kanonas den einai fisiko faiomeno. tha sas stilw mia graf. parastasi seeing kai entasis kai tha deite oti i entasi (oxi i katanomi, oute i roi) tha menei statheri kai to seeing tha xwrevei. otan leme omws oti seeing "xwrevei" ennooume metaboles 0.2-0.4" elpizw na to ekana xekatharo twra kalo bradi dimitris

kalimera k. gianni, petro an bgaloume mia foto (film, ccd) enos diplou, pou exei gwniwdi apostasi 1.00". posw einai to megisto seeing ekeini tin stigmi ?? kala na pernate dimitris