Here is a 12" F/8 Newtonian made by a friend of mine, Tom Hames, who, by the way is 6'-4.25" in height. That comes out to 193cm. He ground the mirror, which is made out of plate glass, about 40 years ago. It gives great images. He also made the tube for the optics. Tom has made many mirrors over the years, the largest being 20". In addition, he is a very talented artist and has done over 2,000 paintings over the years. Most of them are astronomical. Photo taken December 7, 1996 at my home in California.